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    Mazda mx-5 miata rf: 10th place – 2017 motor trend best driver’s car

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    The last of the affordable roadsters, the Miata continues to deliver the best driving experience for the money. Mazda threw us a curveball this year by introducing a power-operated targa roof with dramatic flying buttresses rather than the sleek power-folding hardtop we have come to expect.

    Adding about 100 pounds to the featherweight sporty car, the power roof stows in the same space as the standard cloth roof. Being light and compact, the roof doesn’t add any structural stiffness to the chassis, but the added weight requires compensation elsewhere. Mazda retuned its springs, shocks, and electric power steering for the RF to account for the new roof.
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    Power, however, remains the same. The 2.0-liter four-cylinder is unchanged at 155 horsepower and 148 lb-ft of torque, and it drives the rear wheels through a six-speed manual. Being a Club model, it also gets a standard limited-slip differential, an under-hood shock tower brace, Bilstein shocks, Brembo brakes, and BBS wheels.
    With a slightly heftier weight-to-power ratio, the Miata RF needs 6.4 seconds to hit 60 mph from a stop and 14.9 seconds to clear the quarter mile, where it will be doing 92.4 mph. Stopping from 60 mph takes 109 feet. On the skidpad, it’ll pull 0.91 g average, and on the figure eight it’ll put down a 25.9-second lap at 0.71 g average. But you’ll be hard pressed to find a more fun car to do it in.



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    “I wanted to love it, reward it, and rank it higher than the bottom quartile, but in the end I couldn’t. I love the styling—I can’t stand convertibles—and with the roof up it looks hardtop-coupey swooptastic. I couldn’t get into the driving sensations, which are old hat by now. Huge power/torque disparity aside (not that much of an issue because it delivers the sensation of speed just fine), it simply feels looser and softer sprung than nearly everything here. Admittedly it leans way over and gives you plenty of notice before it lets go, but that got a little old for me after a while (especially on the downhill). I kept thinking that this couldn’t be the fastest setup for this car; couldn’t it be a little stiffer—a little more buttoned down—and thus, even faster feeling? (Or was the sense of speed—the inner ear trickery—tied to the squat and roll and early onset tire howl?) One new criticism: I was surprised to find it is not as easy to place on the road. Steering is slowish and lacks precision.” – Ed Loh
    “I’m not nearly as in love with the Miata as I thought I’d be. Maybe it’s fast car fatigue, but it felt unsettled to me, like it’s always dancing on the top of its springs and edge of its tires. I think less rotation on turn-in would help. Every time you crack the wheel, the rear end jumps over. It sticks, but it makes you think it’s going to dance around on you. The ESC grabbing at the brakes doesn’t help confidence. It’s especially frustrating because when you do turn it off, it’s fine. Yeah, the rear end is playful, but it’s not trying to swap ends on you. I like that there’s a bit more roll stiffness on this one so you don’t flop onto the outside tire, but I think a little more stiffness would be better.” – Scott Evans
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    “So why is this underpowered Pokémon even considered in this field of ridiculous 600 horsepower cars? Because the chassis is so composed, it is impossible to over-drive it. I basically had the throttle mashed the entire way uphill Highway 198 and was carrying a good amount of speed, but no need for worry. The downside is that this means the engine is underpowered, and I wish Mazda would provide more thrust so that I could see just where the chassis limits are.”– Mark Rechtin
    “Wheeeeeeeeeee! ” – Jonny Lieberman
    RANDY SAYS

    “This car reminds me so much of the 1990, the Gen I, in terms of its light weight, body roll, that oversteering personality, especially on entry. It has very not-sticky tires on it. But it still does everything well anyway because of its light weight. It’s stable in braking when you’re straight, but if you’re braking when you turn, woo! You get sideways real quick and real easy. It has a lot of entry oversteer. It’s extremely well balanced on power. It’s loose off power, which is how the original Miata was too, the 1990.
    “On the street, it’s not as big a deal. But then there’s that entry oversteer, and part of where it’s coming from is that roll. The speed of it and the amount of it—it’s roll over steer, right? And when you turn, it rolls, and that roll has momentum. And that momentum brings the weight down on the outside tire. It shocks that tire, and the tire says, ‘Nope.’

    “The car stopped well. It has a lot of brake dive. The pedal was a little long, which is unusual for a Miata.
    “A lot of these 500-horsepower cars are pretty much ridiculous on the street. And it’s so satisfying to be able to just track a car out, run it to redline, and snap off a quick shift with that great shifter. You look down, and you’re doing 64 miles an hour, not 120.
    “It is a nice drift car, though. I drifted all the way around turn two on purpose, just for the hell of it because it is such a fun, fun, fun, fun car. High on the fun factor. Low on the fast factor, but it is a superb driver’s car.”

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    2017 Mazda MX-5 Miata (RF Club 6MT)
    POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
    DRIVETRAIN LAYOUT Front-engine, RWD
    ENGINE TYPE I-4, alum block/head
    VALVETRAIN DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
    DISPLACEMENT 121.9 cu in/1,998 cc
    COMPRESSION RATIO 13.0:1
    POWER (SAE NET) 155 hp @ 6,000 rpm
    TORQUE (SAE NET) 148 lb-ft @ 4,600 rpm
    REDLINE 6,500 rpm
    WEIGHT TO POWER 15.6 lb/hp
    TRANSMISSION 6-speed manual
    AXLE/FINAL-DRIVE RATIO 2.87:1/2.87:1
    SUSPENSION, FRONT; REAR Control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar
    STEERING RATIO 15.5:1
    TURNS LOCK-TO-LOCK 2.1
    BRAKES, F; R 11.0-in vented disc; 11.0-in disc, ABS
    WHEELS 7.0 x 17-in cast aluminum
    TIRES 205/45R17 84W Bridgestone Potenza S001 (Tread 280)
    DIMENSIONS
    WHEELBASE 90.9 in
    TRACK, F/R 58.9/59.2 in
    LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 154.1 x 68.3 x 49.0 in
    TURNING CIRCLE 30.8 ft
    CURB WEIGHT 2,420 lb
    WEIGHT DIST, F/R 50/50%
    SEATING CAPACITY 2
    HEADROOM, F/R 36.8/— in
    LEGROOM, F/R 43.1/— in
    SHOULDER ROOM, F/R 52.0/— in
    CARGO VOLUME 4.5 cu ft
    TEST DATA
    ACCELERATION TO MPH
    0-30 2.0 sec
    0-40 3.2
    0-50 4.5
    0-60 6.4
    0-70 8.4
    0-80 11.1
    0-90 14.1
    0-100 17.6
    0-100-0
    PASSING, 45-65 MPH 3.5
    QUARTER MILE 14.9 sec @ 92.4 mph
    BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 109 ft
    LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.91 g (avg)
    MT FIGURE EIGHT 25.9 sec @ 0.71 g (avg)
    2.2-MI ROAD COURSE LAP 1:51.43 sec
    TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 2,500 rpm
    CONSUMER INFO
    BASE PRICE $32,430
    PRICE AS TESTED $35,830
    STABILITY/TRACTION CONTROL Yes/Yes
    AIRBAGS 4: Dual front, front side/head
    BASIC WARRANTY 3 yrs/36,000 miles
    POWERTRAIN WARRANTY 5 yrs/60,000 miles
    ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE 3 yrs/36,000 miles
    FUEL CAPACITY 11.9 gal
    EPA CITY/HWY/COMB ECON 26/33/29 mpg
    ENERGY CONS, CITY/HWY 130/102 kW-hrs/100 miles
    CO2 EMISSIONS, COMB 0.67 lb/mile
    RECOMMENDED FUEL Unleaded premium
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    Re: Mazda mx-5 miata rf: 10th place – 2017 motor trend best driver’s car

    For you masochist guys, this car has electric power steering. I wonder if that can be removed for you purists.

    Don't like electric power steering. Had a 2006 Chevy Malibu and possibly another car with electric power steering and did not like it. Sometimes it cuts out on you for a second or two can can really freak you out at high speeds. Never happens with hydraulic steering unless you lose a hose.

    Now I now the Honda S2000 has it but have never heard it being a problem. Opinions?
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    Re: Mazda mx-5 miata rf: 10th place – 2017 motor trend best driver’s car

    Interesting that the RF made it, but not the standard ND or the Fiata cousin.

    I'd own any of the 3 if I had enough money..... but I don't so I won't..... lol

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    I'm not so hung up on the electric steering because it can be tuned for different feels. It wouldn't hinder me from buying an ND as much as the asking price does.
    Speed is just a question of money - how fast can you go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent☣Orange View Post
    I'm not so hung up on the electric steering because it can be tuned for different feels. It wouldn't hinder me from buying an ND as much as the asking price does.
    I agree, the price is over the top. For that amount a basic Z370 could be purchased. It's called more bang for the buck
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    Re: Mazda mx-5 miata rf: 10th place – 2017 motor trend best driver’s car

    This thread got me to thinking about the price of a Fiat 124 Abarth and how much hp the little turbo would generate. I when to the Fiat Company Webpage and build a 124 Abarth with all the bells and whistles. and this is what I found.
    The sad part of this exercise is that the Abarth engine with a small turbo only boost the HP from 155 to 164 (that is the HP of my 2014 NC engine.

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    Re: Mazda mx-5 miata rf: 10th place – 2017 motor trend best driver’s car

    Some more about the Fiat: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/car...love-this.html


    Congratulations, Fiat, you cut the excitement from the Mazda MX-5... and that's why the 124 Spider will be a hit. We review Italy's new sports car



    I love the Mazda MX-5. I always have done.

    Every iteration has been nimble, direct, reliable, relatively cheap to run and incredibly engaging to drive. It remains the best driver's car you can buy new for less than Ł20,000, in my eyes.

    So I should have the same fondness for its sister car, Fiat's 124 Spider, a model that's recently grabbed the MX-5's donor card and raided its carcass for parts. But I don't. In fact, I'm totally underwhelmed by it.

    And that's why it should sell in droves.

    On paper, there's a lot for me to like about the reborn 124 Spider. Let's start with the ingredients it shares with its Japanese sibling. The chassis, which is the same darty platform underpinning the MX-5, has been stretched to fashion a marginally bigger model.

    With an additional 14cm from bumper to bumper, it not only creates the illusion of a distinctly different looking car but should also - you would think - improve on the crampedness and limited practicality of the Mazda.

    That's not quite the case. Okay, the boot capacity has increased, but only by 10 litres to a far from capacious 140 in total. And despite the additional length the cabin feels just as snug as the the MX-5 - there's probably more elbow room in a fighter-jet cockpit.
    As a result, the tape-measure changes have done nothing except mask the true identity of the 124.

    Extended overhangs at the front and back allow for a flatter boot-lid and a longer bonnet that looks like it's been lifted straight from a Chrysler Crossfire, eclipsing the sharper, more compact MX-5 silhouette.

    It has a very American feel all round - and what do they know about small-engined, compact two seaters? Very, very little. It's not something I imagine I'll say many times in the future, but I much prefer the pen work of the Japanese designers over that of the Italians.

    The overhangs at both axles are much longer in the Fiat, allowing for a longer bonnet and an extended boot lidThe wheelbase (distance between front and rear axle) remains the same, though. As you can see, the overhangs at both axles are much longer in the Fiat (white) than the Mazda (red), allowing for a longer bonnet and an extended boot lid. The wheelbase (distance between front and rear axle) remains the same, though.

    The extra 14cm in overall car length hasn't made the interior any roomier - it's still as snug as a fighter jet cockpit. The extra 14cm in overall car length hasn't made the interior any roomier - it's still as snug. One dimension that has remained consistent is the wheelbase - at 2.3 metres.

    In the Mazda, this short gap between the front and rear axle makes it feel responsive, urgent and sometimes a little agitated. There's this ever-present sensation that the MX-5 is always alive and demanding of both your input and instinctive reactions, with your body being the centre point and the car's mass pivoting around you. It's totally engrossing.
    That same feeling of being plugged directly into the chassis isn't carried over to the 124 Spider.

    Much of this is down to Fiat's decision to lean - quite literally at times - in favour of a more comfortable ride. Out goes the relatively harsh setup of the MX-5 and in its place are new springs, shocks and anti-roll bars to soften the blows of potholed highways.

    Fiat have leaned in favour of a softer suspension setup to improve the ride quality. The compromise is reduced agility in the corners. The electrically assisted power steering has also been tuned for ease of use over performance, meaning little resistance when applying angle through the wheel.

    Combined with the suspension tweaks, it anesthetises the feeling of direct connection with the tarmac in the Mazda and replaces it with a vague sense of unknown grip. Sling the Fiat into a tight-angled corner, with moderate pace, and the body pitches on its cushier springs, loading the weight onto one side of the car like a canoe caught in a cruise-liner's wake. It feels clumsy, unfocused and lacking flair, compared to its cousin.

    This feeling is totally in contrast to the MX-5. Faced with the same acute bend, it attacks with the unfazed focus of a catwalk model pirouetting at the end of a runway - balanced, poised and elegant at the apex.


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